MUD SEASON IS OVER, BUT HOW DID EVERYONE DO???

[moparmike]

Anyone dissapointed in how your truck ran, or was you sattisfied? If there was a rule you could change in your class, what would it be? Lets talk some MUD RACING!!! ;D ;D

[McQ]

Hey mike good to hear from you!!! I like most all our rules here. Our local club has a 4150 carb rule. I could live with that but they are the only club up here that has one. i KNOW DOWN THERE YOU HAVE A SINGLE FEED LINE AND 4150 RULE. That would be ok too but everyone really needs to be on the same page.

Also up here our vacuum rules are way different we only have to pull 15 at two tracks at others we have to pull like 8!!LOL that's a SS cam!!

I think my truck only ran ok. Not great. Yours ran great!!!!!

What would you change??

[jfmudracing]

Well I had a OK season, I spent to much getting motor done and left me broke all season so didn't get to race as much as I wanted.
As far as rules I would change I would just like to see more places with the same rules so someone wouldn't need 3 or 4 sets of tires a couple carbs and what ever else is different between tracks.

[moparmike]

I did have a very successfull year. Was well pleased with how my truck ran. I am on the same page as you guys. I think too many tracks have different rules and it makes it very difficult to go race away from your home track. we have to pull 17'' of vacuum and run a single line, single pump carb. Some places allow roller cams and some don't. i would like to see our class only have to pull 15'' @ 1000rpm's. One of my huge frustrations is when I see tech guy let someone by with running a vacuum pump to cheat on their vacuum. Any tech guy with half a brain can listen to an engine and tell if it will pull. I think it should be mandatory to pull directly off of the intake or carb!!! If I am going to spend the money to get a vacuum cam, my competiter will have to aswell. One rule I would like to see inforced is cubic inch limit. This would keep everyone in the same playing field. With this and a strict vacuum rule, I think would be good. Just my opinion. Maybe if enough drivers come together and contact our local tracks, we can get them on the same page.

[wilcoxmudracing]

We had an ok season, finally got my truck done. The street stock truck placed everytime it raced in Street Stock, almost placed in Pro Street the one time it ran that class. I would like to see everyone sit down and try to create a unified set of rules (dont think it will happen this off season but would like to see it happen sooon). Then i would like to see those tracks enforce those rules. If they are going to have a cubic inch limit, then pump motors.
I dont know what we will do for next year. Just worry about that come spring i guess.

[just4playmudracing]

Mike,

I was not happy with the way are truck run this year still don't have it set up right. Even though we are not going to race next year i'll tell you what i think on the rules. I think the biggest thing that needs to change is the favoritism like you stated. Next clearer rules and get rid of not needed rules. For a example we have a 2800 stall rule in low range no real way to check that so they let that go. All that rule does is give racer something to bicth about when they think they hear somebody stalling higher then that. Another place as a stock dist aftermarket coil ok no msd what does that mean just put no aftermarket ing boxs if that what you mean. another one no dominator carb but if you run anything but a 4150 your not aloud to run in that class so put 4150 only instead. Clubs leave rules in the grey so they can play favoritism and that needs to stop in my opinion.I don't think the cid rules is that big of a deal on a ford it cost about the same to build a 466 as it does a 557 if good parts are used on both. the restriction in vacuum classes are the cam and or carb some time more cid dosn't help at all.

David

[McQ]

WOW Hard t believe that we all agree on the same point that the rules need to be changed. Everyone wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die! LOL

So here is a secondary question???

Be honest... Would you be willing to (lets say) change intake, carb and tires to fit the same class you run now if the rules were changed? That would make all tracks the same ! But the expense to you might be 2K plus. To some that would be at least a year of no racing or more to make the changes.

Put the positive thing about it would be the let's say five trackes that you might go to now would all have the same rules!!!

Worth it or not!! That's what it would take, on top of the ones who wouldn't want the rules changes to enjoy their advantage. The trucks that are built for one track and one track only have a decisive advantage. But they race only one track. Now a days I can just about tell you by the track location and rules withing one placing of where we are going to place that day before we even go to the race!! But tracks and trucks are built so different that it's kinda easy to figure out.

Unlike for instance NASCAR. You have an idea of who runs good but they are all so close it's still hard to predict. If we all had the same rules it'd be more like NASCAR.

I like the engine pumping just fine but I'd like to see them put you on a set of scales also because that goes hand in hand. Divide the displacement into the weight, get a ratio, set a high and a low tollerence and anyone who fits in there is fine!!!

Our problem for pumping here is that the people don't know how tto set their valves and if they don't then they'll avoid going to that track.


Just my thoughts,


Jeffro

[Pit Boss]

I brought the suck. Still having motor issues, or fuel issues, or both.


Rules. Well most know my stand. It would be nice if everyone was the same. Don't think it will ever happen. My truck is obviously built for one place and one place only. I race it at others and let it fall where it may. I let the techs put me in what ever class they feel. I will still say my opinion on the rules that I think are retarded, but I will play by them either way. If I know I don't have a snowball's chance in hell, I just won't race. Or maybe I will, depends on how far away.

As far as making changes. Yes I would. If everyone has the same rules and something like an interior makes the difference, yes I would prefer to stay dry. I wouldn't get hog wild to fit a class, but make changes needed to fit the class that I want. Tell me now before I buy my new carb!!! lol

And yes favoritism sucks. I am never the one being favored so I guess that I get to bitch. I don't know if I have ever been favored against, I just say be fair to all.


later
jenks

[just4playmudracing]

I guess what i'm saying is i like to race where i can talk and joke and trade info with guys and not feel like a outcast. I've been places that either the people putting it on or the racers that races there make me feel welcome win or lose iwould go back to race there. places that make me feel like and outcast why go back usually there the places bicthing they can't get trucks to come.

David

[moparmike]

I too agree, I would be willing to make a couple of changes on mine too, if necessary. Favoritism will always be an issue, but if we can get a set of rules without the grey areas, it would sure make it alot easier to build our trucks and get to race the class you built for. LIke that crazy convertor rule. Every tranny is going to stall a little different. I say run whatever stall you want and that's one less rule you have to worry about. Alot of rules need to be updated so more people can race at different tracks. I see alot of street trucks drive in and because they have a loud sounding 355 with a cam, they put them in superstock, knowing they can;t even compete in stock class. I do like having a vacuum rule, because no matter how much one tries too beat the rules, the small cams will still limit an engine. Maybe now is the time we start contacting our promotors and demand that they make some changes or we don't show up. Just my opinion!

[wilcoxmudracing]

If there is a unified set of rules that can be agreed on, then those rules need to be set for say 2-3 yrs. Alot of truck pulling and dirt track rules are like this. That way your not having to spend money each winter because the rules keep changing.
I dont have any big issues with the rules local (i do think a few are BS but you cant win them all), they just need cleaning up and enforced. Alot of places down here say you can run aftermarket intakes. So does that mean single plane, dual plane, sheet metal? Either state that its a aftermarket single plane intake ONLY or state that cast aluminum intake allowed and let the driver pick either one s/he wants.
Id be willing to change my truck if rules were changed or modified. We had to do that this year with the street stock truck. We bought an IFS truck that had a striaght axle conversion done to it, they put in for street stock you had to run what front end style came orginial with the truck, so we had to remove all of that and reinstall the IFS. Its either change my truck to met new rules or stay at home. Which one do you think most guys will pick...

[McQ]

Yes I sure understand Kenneth. wow you had to change that whole truck back to an IFS. That sucks!!!! Most guys will change as long as they have the money to do so. Alot don't. I like the 2 or 3 year same rule thing. But...If you have a good set of rules. Shouldn't they stay the same unless there is some politicking going on to change a rule?

NASCAR does change specific rules if there is an obvious advantage to a certain make. I'm not sure if something like that would apply here or not. How about let small blocks run nitrous. Sorry bad example...I guesss a good share of them are doing that anyway!!LOL

wow changed all that back!!!! That sucks!!!


I'd make the changes to the rules as long as I could afford to.


Jeffro

[wilcoxmudracing]

Changing it back over to IFS wasnt to bad. We already had a front end (what was under my truck, we did a straight axle conversion to it) so it was just bolt back in.
And on the year limit to the rules. Say after 3 years you sit down to look at the rules, if theres no major problems, lock the rules back down for another 3 years. Just because you have an option to change them doesnt mean you have to.
Well some small blocks may want the bottle, but ours dont want it, its alittle more grown up. haha. It would probably make for a hell of a ride in it. Don has been talking about quitting mud racing and going to drag racing, so it may see the spray at some point.

[McQ]

That makes sense just locking them for three no matter what and if something was overlooked then adjust as needed.(with the right intentions of course.) I really dislike when they make a rule to exclude a truck even though he was within the rules that were intended. I can see a change for instance if there was an oversight. Like our local club has a rule that you have to use factory production OEM heads in a class. This year a guy showed up with a sweet 396 or a 427 with factory BBC auminum heads that came off of a 69 vet or chevell or something. They were factory oem heads. They intentionally didnt make a rule against aluminum because many factory engines these days run aluminum heads. Heack all of our 80's toyotas had aluminum heads.

Hep drag racing would sure be fun!!! i JUST PULLED THIS OUT OF THE VIDEO vault when we took our mud truck(when it was 10% slower to the drag strip several years ago)LOL Out truck would just not leave well on asphault.

[moparmike]

That was hillarious Jeff ;D What kind of times was you running on the strip? would love to try mine, but mine would blow parts everywhere i"m afraid of! A budy of minwe ran his mud truck at the drag strip and they ran him off after one pass lol! he thought he had his truck clean and it dropped mud and dirt all over the track.